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Kickaha

As the Great Depression of the 1930's began, communities of displaced homeowners sprang up--called "Hoovervilles" after the inffectual President Herbert Hoover.

Do I see some "Bushvilles" on the horizon?

scott

I think it is worth noting that food and energy have historically been left out of the inflation equation because they have historically been STRENGTHS in that America has been rich in resources and FED policy was that these items low pricing because of our ability to produce in excess of consumption so that inflation would not be skewed DOWNWARD. Now that food and energy are weaknesses because of Americas obvious dependence on imports and globalizations upward pressure on commodity prices there is no danger of falsly skewing inflation figures downward infact maintaining these policies is a testament to the FEDs bias toward the status quo of globalization versus the interests of Americans.

DaveL

finally be able to to get me that big screen highdef sony i been hankerin fer. little boot leg cable box, be good to go.

actually, i'm hoping i can pick up one of these at a nieghborhood yard sale. ya never know when a little aerial intelligence might come in handy.

http://diydrones.com/

DaveL

Movenonup

It would be great if JHK was right about the "shock and awe," but I don't know. Denial is tough stuff. If there was a discreet collective moment of "shock and awe" I wonder if that would get us out of Iraq? We entered with a "shock and awe strategy" we would then leave with one.

Or does shock and awe scare us so bad that we openly own what we are about and say "Screw democracy, give us the f***ing oil." Now that is a war worth fighting!!! Start the draft now! Who's signing up? Anyone?

ConservativeGreen

Fuck Jim! I re-read every paragraph twice to comprehend all the EOTWAWKI chewiness in todays posting. Your crystal ball must be amazing.

CBC had a in-depth report from Cleaveland that said 1-in-10 homes have been repossessed. That will be the death of so many formerly great cities. Gutting America and its will. (Witness Soviet style secret prisons, monitoring of ordinary citizens).

Naomi Klein's latest speaks of how the globalist exploit disaster to further their agenda.

http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine

Greed feeds these disasters, and the rich elite further their own agenda. The masses are swindled and bought off.

I hope that you are right, that many will wake up to the realities, but I fear they will not. This would require understanding that the rule of law has been subverted, Americas primary value Greed is causing them to be hated around the world, worship at the alter of progress and oil has left the entire nation without any ethical ground what so ever.

America is still addicted to oil, but it has not hit rock-bottom. The credit card cash advances still buy gasa-crack, the in-laws are still enabling the destructive behavior and the board of directors still hasn't recognized that the CEO is snorting coke in the executive bathroom with $100 bills while being blow by Arabs.

American

Another thoughtful look into a likely future.

As per usual, I'm a bit puzzled by Jim's assertion of hyper-imminence. Weeks? Not months, or some single-digit number of years?

The whether question of SHittingF has been answered pretty well, and each Monday morning I'm curious to hear Jim's angry, sarcastic, honest arguments in favor of "whether = yes."

But next week, or mid-2008, or even eight (or fifty, for that matter) years from now doesn't make a hell of a lot of difference in the long view.

Unless people use the available time to make helpful "other arrangements." Which I'm not expecting.


American

Speaking of stupid people, I heard Wolf Blitzer on the (XM) radio interviewing a French diplomat, I think the foreign minister.

Within three minutes, I heard Blitzer 1) insist that he really wanted to make the best of his rare opportunity, speaking with the diplomat... and 2) ask the diplomat a question about Freedom Fries.

We're on the verge (be it in weeks or years) of getting pretty much what we deserve.

Loveandlight

"Do I see some "Bushvilles" on the horizon?"

Or depending when the crest of the wave of which JHK speaks hits us, some Hillary-Hiltons?

Success Warrior

I agree with Movenonup about the denial. I think most people will stay in denial even after the wave crests and falls.

"This can't be happening."

There will be a lot of people who will glimpse where this is heading and shut their eyes tight because they don't want to see the age of mindless consumerism die.

kahunabear

With the US dollar now trading around parity with the Canadian dollar, I thought you might all enjoy "American in Canada"

http://www.stockmania.com/2007_09_24_archive.html

Abrey

Dear Jim:

Thank you for another thoughtful essay on the current state of modern day America. I wonder when the general public will come to realize just how much you care about our country; and when the general public will start doing something about changing our ways. But as you intimate, we first have to hit bottom before we can start going forward. At various times in our country's history we have as a nation turned ourselves inward and ignored the rest of the world. I am wondering whether the next few years will see the reemergence of that mindset.

Abrey

montysano

I perceive some awakening among the slumbering masses; whether it's too-little-too-late remains to be seen. Certainly, last week was a political wakeup. The Dems, typically dismisses as spineless and pathetic, have succeeded in putting that notion to rest. They are fully and completely Part Of The Problem, signed up and on the bandwagon.

Let me also second what commenter conservativegreen recommended above: Naomi Klein's "Shock Doctrine". Read it and suddenly a great many things come into clear focus.

dale

Scott,
I think you are missing some of the nuance in what I'm saying.

I don't equate PO with a potential "die-off" or doomer worldview. PO is not only possible it is inevitible. I see PO as a challenge, not unlike many challenges man has faced.

Recently I posted a link to an analysis of a quite revolutionary automobile that is approaching market in Europe. There was not one comment on that automobile in response. What that tells me is that most posters here are not looking for any possible solutions, only for something more to help convince them of the coming apocalypse. So, I don't think my view, which is essentially open, would equate with failing to see the possibilities, but perhaps the opposite is true. After all, a belief in a coming apocalypse would hardly encourage such optimistic behavior as looking for solutions.

I am essentially a skeptic, that is to say; what you stop questioning becomes a religion. There are many signs of that drift on this blog.

JLee

I am more amused that some people think that the coming fuure will be just another fun challenge. What just like the fun and challenge of winning a TV dance show? Or did you mean Jeopardy?

Nudge

JLee, there's reason why Jeopardy can't be played as a card or board game around the campfire, or the woodstove, for them fortunate enough to have a dwelling.

Hello again Dale. As I recall, the miracle-car post received relatively little attention here because it left so much unstated. Was it an electric car? If so, the 800-lb gorilla in the room was all about where all that extra electricity is going to be generated. You may as well have posted a link to something that uses dilithium crystals. We would have all ignored it since there's noplace to get such crystals. For that matter, how many hydrogen fill-up stations are out there?

Have you ever done the math on the caloric equivalent of all the gasoline burned in this country for transportation activities? (betcha you haven't) And then, if you're decently encumbered by a brain of sorts, you might want to figure out how many more power plants we'd have to build to make that much more energy. Hmm, well, I did (the notes are at home but I can get to them later) and we'd have to roughly double our outlay of some 16,000+ power plants here in the United Parking Lot of America. And that's assuming that the batteries work "perfectly", with 100% of the charging energy being recoverable through discharge. (In reality, the best is usually 60% recoverable, so instead of 16K new power plants make that 26K.)

Do you see any big push to build thousands of new power plants? And from where would come the stuff to fuel them?

Dale, no offense, but I'm beginning to agree with MOU (especially after seeing the stuff that Scott dug up from your previous posts) that you're just another troll. That or you're a really lame kool-aide distributor. Take your pick.

Nudge out for now.

Nudge

Oops, meant "there's no reason why" in that line about Jeopardy.

scott

Dale, I view "revolutionary" automobiles with skepticism first because it echoes the theme of growth in that we "need" to replace our current fleet in order to maintain the status quo. This line of thinking simply replaces a problem with a problem moving forward the notion that since energy markets are getting tight we can still extrapolate the American way globally if we increase efficiency. Growth in China alone will eat up any potential energy savings before the plan ever gets off the assembly line much less global saturation.

We need to be thinking outside the current box of measuring success in terms of growth. As I said before doable alternative infrastructures will not be implemented unless they operate within the framework of our current economic growth model.

By the time we accept the idea that this model is fatally flawed it will be too late.

rubbersoul45

This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.

scott

I just googled rubbersoul45 and got this:http://rubbersoul45.deviantart.com/journal/10043070/

tehehe yay luke! my birthday is next week too! happy birthday to us!

we can drive! yay!!

are you getting your permit on your birthday? i am!! hehe

love you so much xoxo =-)

DaveL

http://www.bestcyrano.org/THOMASPAINE/?p=317#more-317

the real deal is that we live among the dales of the world, the insane. they think that thier blood scacifices will appease the gods and allow them to drive special cars to heaven. don't listen to them and or thier more popular mouthpieces. remember they are insane and they crave blood. your's will do.

DaveL

FARfetched

$4/gal (average across the US) by the end of the year? Maybe if we get another Katrina or two, and then not for very long. Or the gummint grows a brain *and* a spine and raises gas taxes. Otherwise, I'm not sure how it would happen. Demand is still rising, but it's beginning to crest — I'm seeing it in the rising numbers of motorcycles (and even a bicycle or three) on the commute, hearing it from in-laws driving less. SUV sales are down.

I'm also not nearly as certain as you are that resets are going to jump interest rates dramatically. While you're correct that whoever is holding the paper isn't doing it for their health, they can see the difference between losing $400K all at once and losing $200K over the next 25 years. If they foreclose, they're holding a property that will sit (likely unmaintained and deteriorating) that they have to sell, probably at a steep loss. If they eat some interest, they get a performing loan and don't take such a huge hit to the bottom line.

Hyperinflation followed by hyperdeflation is certainly a plausible scenario, though, especially if wages don't rise along with prices. If wages rise as well, the mortgage issue could be moot because people could pay off their loans with the trunkload of cash they bring home from work. If wages *don't* rise, people will simply stay home — why work for essentially free?

As far as foreigners buying up everything… well, the US has had stuff nationalized out from under us before. That sword cuts both ways. If things get as bad as you write here, it will happen because the voters will demand it.

Holmes, I presume

DaveL, thank goodness you're back. A voice of reason to hopefully convince others to just say no to this vicious circle jerk of trying to converse with the mad. wombat was trying to make the same point yesterday, as was I the day before that. Even with your skilled intervention, alas, this and other great battles will have to run their natural course.

seancb

dale, if your post was 100 or 200 comments down the page, some of us don't have enough spare time in a week to read that far.

However, regarding automobiles, I think the general consensus of the comment posters here is not that we are "not looking for solutions" as much as that we are "looking for REAL solutions".

As has already been posted in response to you... real solutions do not include alternative technologies that allow continued use of the private automobile and the sprawl that goes with it.

Gary49er

As I read JHK I feel his basic message is that we need change - our course is headed for trouble - so do something different.
So -- Dale and I try to indicate some possible changes on the horizon, reasons to think more positively - and what do we get? You know - you all do it!
The slam we get is "continue the status quo". Did Dale say that? - I did not.
Myself, I like Odd Ball in Kelly's Heroes, not only the positive vibes part - but the get out of trouble part. (can be done)
I too had hoped to find an open mind or two around here - seems I was mistaken Dale. So if you want to keep trying - go ahead - I fear these people do not want to listen.
The clique part of this blog is too entrenched in the fear, and react accordingly. JHK has found a timely topic to sell paper - good for him and his message.
I do not care if the door hits me on the way out!...............

CarlostheObscure

Bravo, Jim....you're right as rain with this post....

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