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Dave

ha, didn't even read it yet.

RJG

There you go again Jim with the doom and gloom of the "problem"..
etc..

Why don't you ever provide us some real "solutions"..!?..

Eheheheh.. just kidding..
great stuff..

Thanks..

Dave

ok, not bad. but instaed of building more stupid stuff, eg, railroads, solar plants, nucular stuff, &ct., it's time to just rip up what we can while we can. you know, bust the dams so the fishes can swim and the waters can cleanse, not build more dams. just more wishfull thinking, but of a different variety than someone who wants a big screen tv.

farmerhunt

Jim, this reads like a first class tract. If there are no copyright restrictions, I'd like to make unlimited use of this as a handout to local politicos, neighbors, etc.

Dave

if we were real real real real smart, we could delay, maybe even manage the dieoff. but we're not. let's just get it on. well actually we are right now, so forget i said that.

rip up the roads, now. or bomb china.

Dave

i love that sand pile analogy. that guy stole it from me, no shit. he told me he was going to, but i was too drunk to care. now i'm sorry.

rudi,

please post your link again this week. i promise to try to understand your site and post there and stuff. but remember my conditions.

farmerhunt

I see Dave is still around. I really don't have time to wade through his flotsam to find serious stuff, so until he's brought under control, I'm staying out of comments altogether.

DanaJ

Jim, unfortunately, we will probably be building hi-ways way after they are no longer needed, there is too much crony-ism in the contracts, and they are too lucrative. Here in Sonoma Co, CA we have Hwy 12, essentially a hi-way to nowhere that cost who knows how many 10's of millions of dollars. To the north of Santa Rosa, the state spent hundreds of millions widening the hi-way where it wasn't needed, while to the south there is a daily disaster where the hi-way SHOULD have been widened. They are starting to widen part of it at the cost of millions per mile. I still cant figure out how it can cost so much per mile. The construction co's are making out like hi-way bandits. Even tho gas has stayed above $3/gl and looks like $4/gl this year, SUV sales have slowed only a little. I regularly see guys at the gas station bitching cause it cost them $100 to fill their big trucks tank 1/2 full and it only lasts a week. IDIOTS. But will they give up the Big Truck Fantasy? No. Oh well, too bad.
Keep up the writing Jim, I always enjoy it.

asoka

JHK said: "We'd better prepare psychologically to downscale all institutions, including government, schools and colleges, corporations, and hospitals"

First we'd better get population growth under control.

Otherwise we'll be building even more and paving over even more productive farm land.

bud4wiser

JK, a nice enough rant, as ranting goes, but gosh you want fix everything in one essay!

First things first, before you can make wisecracks about highway construction you have to have GM declare bankruptcy. Or else no one "gets it."

Before you make cracks about railroad service, you have to have truck/freight service prices become objectionable.

Before you make cracks about 7-story buildings, you have to have a few people die of heat stroke during a July power blackout.

You see Jim, you can't rant effectively without concrete examples of failure. Surely, all the things you describe will come to pass, but not until the clueless are hit over the head with the "hammer of reality."

So far only one minor example exists. Katrina - and it hurt mostly poor black people. (And God did it anyway)

If you want to rant about changing the public consciousness - you'll have to wait until car companies can no longer afford advertising on broadcast television. America won't change until the advertising does.

JK, you're so far ahead of the curve, the mainstream can't see your light. Predict the date of GM's bankruptcy, and then you'll get some attention.

oneEyeOpen

Jimmy,

We haven't even begun to see the devastation of consumers run amok. Tata Motor's $2500.00 car has not yet been launched. China saw 8 milion new car sales last year and that is withut the benefit of the inexpensive Tata. (Did I mention that the Tata is an Indian car? Lets not forget Indian car sales.)

True wastage on a gynormous level is only beginning to rear its ugly head. You ain't seen nothin yet my friend. Think we're behind the energy eight ball already? Try flashing forward a few short years.

Dave

i know it's a little early in the week for this, but i've been obcessing on modest mouse lately.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WI3nK2pafTE&feature=related


dedicated to farmerhut.

StephenB

An interesting Op-Ed in today's Boston Globe (from a Harvard egg head no less) that finally gets that keeping $ and control of those $ *local* in the community counts in matters economic:

Where Have You Gone, George Bailey?
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/01/14/where_have_you_gone_george_bailey/?page=1

"Today's securitization leaves no room for knowing your customer and other intangibles. All that matters is that by hook or by crook - too often by crook - an application passes the statistical hurdles necessary to qualify a loan for inclusion in a package.

"Securitization didn't come out of the blue. It is the latest stage in the unbridled expansion of markets. And central to an impersonal market system is the same process that makes George Bailey irrelevant: algorithmic knowledge, the knowledge of formulas, eclipses experiential knowledge, the knowledge of life that [George] Bailey brought to bear on the lending process."

It's funny when some idea ordinary folk like us have known for a long time gets "discovered" and dreamed up by academics.

Stephen B.
suburban MA

Farmgal

Good one Jim.

My state is worrying about fixing our roads and bridges- the infrastructure is aging and there isn't enough cash to fix it as we fund it from the gasoline tax and if we sell less gas as the prices rise-our tax inflow decreases. We have also repeatedly raided this fund for other stuff. Meanwhile we have a minimal mass transit system in just a few places in the state-for me to take the bus-which means driving 20 miles just to catch it- I have to turn teaching for 3-4 hours into a 12 hour day....I still do it, especially when the roads are bad but clearly mass transit is limited here.

Also saw today that Toyota is announcing they will have a plug-in hybrid by 2010-yipee- lets use electricity generated by ??? to charge the cars which will only go 7 miles before needing to use their gas engines...... Not sure I see the point here-maybe I'm missing something in not getting all excited about it.

BTW-re:this site- I also don't get why some posters(who is this "Dave") and a few others, post repeatedly every time- with what appears to be private banter. Is this their entertainment or what? I don't see the point of it-maybe this should be confined to a private e-mail exchange? It very much interferes with the ability to have a civil and useful conversation on this site, imo, for what that's worth. Too bad- it had gotten under control for awhile but seems to be falling back into disaray.

Dave

farmgal,

gimme something to talk about. i'd be happy to, really. you stated an opinion, ok. fine.

what do you want to talk about? that some roads are messed up and electric cars are a no go?

no, not to be rude and stuff, aren't we, i mean anybody who takes 5 minutes to look around, past that? if you want to talk about the real shitz you and famerhut should hang around during the week a little. just sayin'.

oneEyeOpen

Money Quote of the day:


“If we were lucky enough to open up the entire outer continental shelf and then we were lucky enough to invent quickly enough seismic equipment to start doing some sort of a high-grading of where we should drill, and then we were lucky enough to have a growing fleet of newer offshore rigs that could drill wells and we just discovered two new North Seas, then there’s grounds that we could basically spend four or five hundred billion dollars and maybe end up ten years from now with six million barrels a day of fresh supply.

But the problem is that each one of those things that I said, ‘If we were lucky enough,’ we don’t have. And to create each one of those is going to take ten to fifteen years to do. And ten to fifteen years from now, our 73 million barrels a day of current crude production could easily be down to 50 or 45. So you say even if you had another 6 million barrels per day, you can’t climb back out of the hole”. -Matt Simmons-

Nicholas Paredes

While many of the current problems and some of the solutions can be agreed upon, my impression is that incorporating the rural into the urban isn’t the task at hand. In Chicago much of the city is flat and frankly wasteland at the moment due to abandoned manufacturing facilities. But, there were skyscrapers in most urban areas prior to the oil economy, and there will be even more after.

A glass box may constitute our idea of the category, though its history is more varied. Density is a way to conserve. Thinking that the business of maintaining billions of people is going to simply vanish in favor of localization, or more horrifying for many Chicagoans, local government, is in my mind ill considered.

It is doubtful that any of these plans will be discussed until it is too late to implement them well, particularly mass transit or Amtrack. The beginning of Gravity’s Rainbow comes to mind. Off to the rooftop for a banana… Hopefully, we’ll apply our efforts afterwards to building rather than becoming modern day vikings.

It took fifty years to accomplish, it’s going to take fifty years to undo.

Dave

here's a hint. anything i say is much more appropriate to you and your situation. JHK, is into his whole ASPO, head of the bandwagon, celebrity thing. like we're going to build railroads? and where are we going to build them to? and for what? and then what?

very silly. but that's ok. everyone has a right to be silly in my book.

oneEyeOpen

"everyone has a right to be silly in my book."

And everyone has a right to color your silly face out side the shaky lines.

Roland A.

You're right--Americans are going to maintain their expectations for life as usual until something breaks their psychological entrainment. Part of the problem is the entire system, itself. We live in a corporatist system. Everything comes from some bloody corporation, and the corporations are sustained by this fiat currency, debt-based, fraud-based, financial system. Unless it's activily trying to grow and consume resources, it dies--and it will fight till then end to maintain its power. People are just dupped into this belief system and they're going to go along with it as it's the only reality they know, which just shows how successful this corporatist system has been with the sciences surrounding human behaviors.

Riddick

"Prepare psychologically for a sociopolitical climate of anger, grievance, and resentment. A lot of individual citizens will find themselves short of resources in the years ahead. They will be very ticked off and seek to scapegoat and punish others."

This statement by JHK is the most chilling and likely to come to fruition IMHO. I do not believe the NASCAR "gimmie" hat wearing jackrod driving public will take kindly to realizing that Ford and GM or perhaps Toyota sold them a pile of expensive scrap metal. Nor will the Lexus Moms and BMW "aloofs" fare any better.

I watched a terrifying documentary on the rape of Czechoslovakia by Nazi Germany prior to WWII. The glorious Allies (France & Britain) sold the truly democratic, vibrant and western-oriented Czechs down the river to appease Hitler. Of course, history demonstrated the results of that grand strategy.

What disturbed me most were the grainy black and white scenes of pile upon pile of grotesquely thin human detritus (the Jews, Gypsies and subversives). Their mangled bodies all bizarrely odd arms and legs, their heads often still with weirdly coiffed hair. The bulldozers shoved the piles into vast pits for removal, not unlike working on a vast in-fill for one of our glorious highways.

To watch fellow humans treated in such a manner was beyond words and utterly disgusting. I have no words yet again for the sight. The Holocaust museum in DC shows the truth even better. And for every museum and memorial to human injustice, there are thousands upon thousands more who suffered beyond comprehension in isolation only to die, their existence erased.

Mankind is the total contradiction of utter horror and amazing grace and sacrifice. I just keep getting this gut feeling that when TSHTF for real, no kidding, we may be seeing bulldozers and in-fill over here. Not a pretty thought. But I keep recalling how Tito kept the lid on Yugoslavia until his death and then the reality sprung forth like a coiled viper that had been pent up and waiting to strike for a century.


Riddick

"At the same time, begin planning comprehensive regional light-rail and streetcar operations."

It seems that streetcars are indeed an option in the DC suburbs:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/13/AR2008011303609.html

XER

We haven't learned how to die, becuase we haven't learned how to live.

We all need to wear a sign around our necks thay says, "Under Construction, Please Excuse Our Mess."

It's time to abandon reason for wisdom. Our thinking must change, before anything else can.

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