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LaughingAsRomeWasBurningDown


GM sells more Buicks in China than they sell here in the US if I am reading these stats correctly. Seems appropriate, somehow, they fill our Wal*Marts with crap, and we put them behind the wheels of Buicks in return.

Dave

ya, the USA is as fucked as all that, no doubt about it. but it still has NATO, a bunch of nukes, a toehold in the middle east oil patch, 300 million totaly dependant wage slaves, bunch of coal, about the best ag. land out there(steadily destroying it of course), and, lest we forget, a subtantial homegrown military. still plenty of opportunity for us to do plenty of damage, no matter what happens to wall street and the bankers.

Dave

er, not sure what any of that has to do what what you might have said, oh well.

2LegsBad

Did we really think that Russia was going to forget the really good rat f**king our Harvard MBA boys gave their economy in 1990's?
Putin's a murderous jerk, but he's not a stupid murderous jerk like our Preznit. Man being stuck between these two really stinks, although it's obviously even worse for those in the Caucausus right now...

Dave

i was reading somewhere that the latest wall street scham was in putting together finance for the sale of public facilities; highways, airports and such.

Dave

4legsgood

2LegsBad

It's funny, I happened to be researching Yukos this morning for a project and I came across this quote on Wikipeadia "According to the Moscow Times of Friday, February 4, 2005, Issue 3099, Page 5, Mikhail Brudno and Vladimir Dubov fled to Israel in 2003, and were seen on February 2, 2005 in Washington, D.C. at an official function of George W. Bush. [8] Both men are cited in an international arrest warrant regarding their involvement in the Yukos tax case. Leonid Nevzlin, a former Yukos CEO ("Nevzlin gained a controlling stake in Yukos when Khodorkovsky handed him a 60 percent share in the holding company that controlled the firm") also now living in Israel, is sought on several counts of murder and attempted murder and is also stated by Russian authorities to be a suspect in the poisoning death of Alexander Litvinenko."
Putin's been consolidating the Russian oil patch and slowly puhing out any unfriendly oligarchs for years now...he's seen this endgame for a LOOONG time.

Dave

the only wise use of our remaining oil reserves is to rip up the oil dependant infrastructure. you know, like rip up and throw away the roads and rails and airports and shit. that would make plenty of jobs, stimulate a new economy, and shit, i think.

Empedocles

I still find it weird that Kunstler is a Democrat. For example, he consistently argues for localization and downsizing, whereas democrats are the party of centralized power and growth. Old style conservatives, paleo-cons, were the ones that were against bigness per se, big government and big business. However, in the face of communism, they were vehemently pro private property rights and this has allowed big business the opening to destroy their traditional antagonists on the right and replace them with the neo-cons’ subservience to international corporations. Much like Kunsler, the traditional conservative’s ideal was the independent businessman, the shop owner of the traditional American Main Street. These people were the bastions of the middle class, and the pillars of the community not only in an economic sense, but those who provided much of what consider the virtues of community, shared values, interdependence and support, trust. Americans embrace of big business has wiped out these people and replaced the traditional Main Street with Kunstler's hated big box stores that blight the American landscape today.
The traditional left found it greatest support among labor groups which required the existence of big business for their own existence. They might have been against management, but they were comfortable with big business as long as it played by certain rules. There is now a movement among the new left, the neo-libs, to emphasize community and localism, to shop local and support local businesses. The arguments given for this support are very similar to what you would hear a Republican circa 1955 espouse, i.e., the already mentioned facts that these people were the bastions of the middle class, and the pillars of the community not only in an economic sense, but those who provided much of what consider the virtues of community, shared values, interdependence and support, and trust.
On top of this, Kunstler is amazingly socially conservative. Just take his recent tirades against tattoos, baggy pants, and popular music. Kunstler's ideal is that traditional 1950s (or maybe it's 1850s in his case) American small town, the kind of thing paleo-cons have been arguing for for ages. Kunslter is far more paleo-con than Democrat.

Dave

so has my man dick. why you think he expanded nato into eastern europe and got us in solid in the ME. mafucker ain't dumb.

Dave

Kunslter is far more paleo-con than Democrat.

ya, he even looks like dick cheney. that's why i read his shit every week.

FARfetched

Some good stuff to chew on here, although I feel obligated to point out that those aren't tropical depressions out in the Atlantic. Just yet.

JHK, I'd like to see you address the current reduction in fuel consumption and the fall in fuel prices that has accompanied it. Screw-ups like this Ossetia War or whatever they'll call it can potentially be a blip, depending on how quickly they resolve it. But if I was Hu Flung Dung, I'd be bitching at Pooty-Poot and making things difficult for the Russians for distracting the world from "China's" Olympics.

China, after all, is a big wildcard — not only for us, but for Russia. The sleeping giant on Russia's southeastern frontier is awakening. As much as we worry about China holding a bunch of our worthless paper, Russia has to worry even more about an emerging superpower on their flank, one that will not simply shrug at Russia disrupting the flow of a necessary import.

Dave

i always though that dems were the party of hoes with asses what like to slapped. that's why whenever i thought that i might vote i thought i might vote for a dem.

Dave

luckily i came to my senses. anyine who votes is a fucking idiot, just sayin'.

Dave

but putin didn't start it. it was the caucasians and my main man, dick. that boy is world class fucking genuine genius.

Dave

the chinks can come over here and buy some railroads and shit. haha, i make myself laugh sometimes.

Dave

dat's all folks. i'm outta here. dis place gives me the heebeegeebees and shit.

JJackson

I love the slam on the rednecks in Georgia who would be looking out their windows for the Russkies if you hadn't clarified the news flash.

Wow, Dave. You could be the biggest idiot on the entire web.

Harmon

Frankly I find it very refreshing to see Russian tanks and columns of troops once again on the move. The Georgian fascists warmongers asked for it and they got it -- right up the ass. And in all probability, they'll keep right on getting it, and will be completely occupied by the Russians for some time to come. Who do the Georgians think they are? The Ossetians and the Abkhazians are ethnically and linguistically separate peoples from the Georgians, they were never part of Georgia historically, only part of the USSR -- and even more recently, in 1992, right after the USSR broke up, they kicked Georgia's ass by themselves and remained independent.
So now the scumbags in the US and Israel sent their assassians and torture trainers to Georgia and try to promote an enthic-cleansing of the Ossetia people (with probably the Abkhazians next) and big brother Russia stomps them flat. Hey, I really hope Russia doesn't let go of the pipeline. Turn it around into Ossetia and into the Russian oil grid.
What would really be even more fun would be if those morons in Washington would actually try to do something about it. Just what the US needs, another warfront.

FARfetched

Empedocles, labels are just that. The Dems haven't been the big-government party since 1980, about the same time the goplet abandoned fiscal responsibility & replaced it with privatized profit and subsidized expense.

Go back even farther, and the different between a "liberal" and a "conservative" was that liberals favored a loose interpretation of the Constitution. They may still, but cons are (by their actions) in favor of burning it down and replacing it with the Rule of Whim.

Kunstler probably votes Democratic for the same reason as I do: not because I necessarily agree with everything stay stand for, but because they're likely to do less damage on the way down.

2LegsBad

Good bye dave...please DON'T come back.

Hecho En Venezuela

"That is, if we're lucky enough to avoid the real possibility of social disorder and violence that would attend a fullblown economic collapse scenario."

Interesting topic for a future column, perhaps. I've always thought that the union wouldn't survive a slip from supremacy, and I'm curious how things would fragment.

I think Richard Morgan's depiction of things in "Black Man" ("Thirteen" here in the politically correct US of A) is spot on: Jesusland, RimSec, etc.

Anyway, good column as usual, but as much as we all enjot the schadenfreude, we've also been waiting for the other shoe to drop for years now. Any concerns about that?

upstatebob

the current relief rally is like a bunch of folks who have sunk to their necks in quicksand and
are now rejoicing that they have stopped sinking

Dave

Good bye dave...please DON'T come back.

er, i'm here just about everyday.

Dave

Wow, Dave. You could be the biggest idiot on the entire web.

wow, jim!

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