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judetennessee

I believe you Jim but I am considered a Cassandra and a nutjob by my friends. O is doomed by circumstances that are way beyond his or anyone elses ability to correct. U are right, it is a changing way of life and folks are terrified of the changes that the future holds.

LaughingAsRomeWasBurningDown


The low price of oil really puts a crimp on alt's...

http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental-news/latest/corn-ethanol-47110502

The U.S. ethanol industry is reeling, with only the financial crisis preventing massive consolidation as more and more companies face the prospect of bankruptcy, according to the New York Times. The drop in oil prices, coupled with wildly fluctuating corn prices, have conspired to sap energy from the industry.

VeraSun, a large ethanol producer, has already filed for bankruptcy, and several others may follow suit. Even agrichemical giant Archer Daniels Midland is losing money on its ethanol endeavors.

Frank Gifford

Thanks for your post Jim. Did you know that Change.gov (the Obama transition site) solicits our ideas about governing? I have detected a low level hysteria among mainstream media talking heads about our current predicament. I agree that the public is NOT ready to face reality. This is our biggest challenge: to be able to perceive the reality of our situation. I fear that Mr. O may be a bit too embracing of technofantasies: like alternative fuels, smart grid, electric cars, etc... Mr. O has made some noises about rail. I would also like to see some initiatives to stimulate local food production. The fact is, those from the mainstream are functionally unable to perceive our situation due to their biases. Mathew Simmons is the one exception to this I can think of. It is going to be an interesting next few years. I again urge everyone to embrace a strong positive but realistic vision of the future and to seek the strength, courage, wisdom, and perseverance to make this vision a reality-for the sake of the children of future generations of all living beings:) Visit http://entropypawsed.org

bud4wiser

JK, we have left our futures to the vagaries of 2, 4 or 6 year election cycles with cash as the primary influence of our leadership.

Necessity as always seems to be the only influence of change or innovation for Americans. But as you pointedly remark, necessity can spark more or less orderly transformations.

The recent noteworthy drop in discretionary petroleum consumption gives hope to the possibility of a time-frame that will allow an orderly transition away from personal petroleum- consumption-based transportation.

Yet the sales figures from the holiday weekend belie the actions of a nation of consumers who either don't "get it" or don't care.

Peak Plateau or "cliff" - depending on which side of a bailout you work - you're assured of one or the another.

In either scenario, there's likely to be greater changes to the social landscape in the next four years than the last forty.

RealProblems

We are to assume these are retorical questions Jim has asked? Ofcourse Mr. O does not know any of these answers. Everyone was in such a hurry to evict Bush no one bothered to figure out just what Mr. O knows or who he is. Well he knows nothing except populous nonsense written by a speech writer and his own books were written by a ghost writer. His only business has been going after the man. Never worked with his hands, never been in the military, never managed a payroll or business. He admits to owning a hybrid car but never driving it. His hobbies are his blackberry, excercise, and Chicago thug politics. He seems a nice enough man but it's a little late to be asking what he knows.

Cymon Dendu

BO, you don't know Diddley!

Haha.

Seriously, where is the tipping point for Obama? If he tells the truth (if he knows it) now he'll be crucified, as Jim points out. But at what point will he be crucified for concealing the truth?

BTW, am I the only one who's sick to effing death of the yearly Christmas narrative of retailers and their prospects for good sales?

zerotsm

Well, it MIGHT be possible to run most everything on alt.energy. I say "most" everything, I'll get to that. By going on a crash program to build more wind, solar, geothermal and small scale hydro projects, we could get the energy equivalent of 5 billion barrels a year from these alternative sources. That sounds like a lot. About the energy used in the 1950's by the entire world.

But this will be electric energy, which pretty much has to be used as it's generated, it can't be stored. So that's the end of aviation. As Jim has been saying, we'll have to go back to rail service for everything, freight as well as passenger. Any automobiles or trucks will have to be "Neighborhood electric", to get from a home or business to the nearest local freight terminal or passenger rail station.

Some say, "What about fusion"? Well, billions have been spent on Tokamak reactors that have yet to produce one watt hour of net energy. An alternative fusion reactor that looks promising is the Polywell reactor. For info, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polywell . Of course the US Government cut the funding for this project to pay for the illegal invasion of Iraq, but the numbers look good. For 200 million dollars (pocket change compared to other research projects) the last experiment can be duplicated to verify the results and if it works, a full scale prototype capable of generating commercial amounts of power, in the megawatt range, can be up and running in 4-6 years. But again, this will be electric. The friendly skies will be quiet and the happy motoring era will be gone, to be replaced by the joyous revival of passenger rail service in the US.

envirosponsible

"Does Mr. O know that the current re-inflation program being run by the Treasury and the Federal Reserve is so egregious that it may lead to loss of the dollar's legitimacy"

Of course he knows. He also knows that we'll soon be living in the North American Union earning and spending Ameros.

Flamsey

Ted Turner was on 60 minutes last night and he mentioned the coming energy crises. Count him among the 1000 people who believe you Jim.

LaughingAsRomeWasBurningDown


1000 people? More like a cult of millions. Just the other day here in cube-land overheard two of my cow orkers discussing what would happen when it "crashed the rest of the way down" (mostly with respect to the economy).

Meahwhile, have a banana, and here's something to cheer up a Gray Monday:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myPYhqByS1Y

Nicholas Paredes

I'll leave predictions to those who want to play that game, but we are of course in for plenty of trouble. Surely O knows this.

We didn't need a leader when the economy was still running, albeit on fumes, and we didn't get one. Now we do, and I have my hopes that, while nobody perhaps could navigate the straits we are about to enter, Obama is at least up to the challenge.

Somehow I can't believe that things are still holding!

dale

JHK,
One correction Jim, Chavez has no choice but to sell his oil to us, because we are the only ones who can refine high sulfur crude. I suspect the planet could stumble along for quite a long while at PO, if PO turns out to be a sustained plateau. If the declines some predict occur, a lot of your predictions will be spot on, but unfortunately the record for such predictions are laughably inaccurate. The prudent course of action at this point on PO would be awareness, that alone is a serious advantage.

Zero,
Actually, electrical energy can be stored in a number of ways, pumping water up hill is the lowest tech version, hydrogen generation another.

Real”Politics”
What someone “knows” is a highly overrated metric. It matters little if you “know” something if what you know is wrong to start with or becomes wrong in the process of time. Flexibility and mental acumen are far more important. I voted for Obama because he has the intelligence and temperament to synthesize information from a wide range of sources into something rational and useful. Let's hope the political system is not so badly broken as to prevent his abilities from being properly used.

Nicholas Paredes

Oh, and via Krugman, Tanta at Calculated Risk has died... RIP.

Dave

ya, layed my nuts out on the porch this morning. fucking squirel came by and bit 'em. little bitch.

LaughingAsRomeWasBurningDown

> He seems a nice enough man but it's a little late to be asking what he knows.

Yeah, what dale said. Also, lesser of two evils and all that. He at least seemed to grasp that drilling-baby-drilling wasn't going to solve anything unlike some other goofs I can think of.

Peak Oil Hausfrau

We need someone who can perform civilization triage for us - making hard choices to save what is essential and what preserves some basic quality of life. Saving the lives of what can be saved, not just what we want to save, not what is already doomed. That might include some program of alternative energy, but more likely that we will have to let go of a lot of our cherished overpriveleged nonsense.

Dave

it kinnda freaks me out when those squirels change thier minds crossing the road. suicide squirels.

Dave

one time, a fucking racoon was crossing the road. so i slowed down, gave him wide berth. but as i was passing he DELIBERATELY made u-turn and walcked under my rear wheel. suicide coon.

Dave

musta left his den without his CUMPASS. his life was in vain.

Dave

he had no direction in life. either that, or he lost his sense of direction and become suicidal.

Dave

I voted for Obama because he has the intelligence and temperament to synthesize information from a wide range of sources into something rational and useful.

my bets are on the racoons. i skin the mutherfuckers then put em ina pot with wild carrots and mushrooms an make soup.

we_are_toast

I think you underestimate the number of people who understand the problems with oil. Count me in as one of the 1000. If a 1000 people went to change.gov and expressed that we know how serious the oil situation is and that Mr. O has to do something about it, they'd notice! A 1000 copied responses gets tossed, a 1000 suggestions covering a dozen different issues gets ignored, but a 1000 suggestions about a little discussed issue, gets noticed.

Now send a 1000 suggestions to ONE reporter who will be at the 1st press conference to ask a question about this critical issue, and the whole administration takes notice.

Dave

no nuts for the squriels this year, that's why they eat mine. little fucks.

Dave

i hate oil. it's sticky gooy and smells bad. i do everything within my extremely limited abilities to ignore oil.

MaryW

I think BO probably doesn’t know too much about PO, or if he does know it must have dawned on him that his time on the throne will be a one term if he raises the topic too soon. The only possibility of him sticking around for another term will be to wait until oil is at the $200 mark and then start dropping big hints about the need for rail and how it will mop up a lot of unemployed people particularly truck drivers.

He could use the situation as a rallying call to reduce consumption of oil from all those countries that don’t have America’s "interests" at heart but would people be willing to give up their selfish, cosseted ways?

Cymon – good comment re Christmas sales.


JHK has some new clips at the Vermont Independence Convention 2008 – first of 3 but just watch 1 and 3 because number 2 is a repeat of number 1:


http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=GKRBSwuxvMA

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